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Re: Removed for "legal" reasons

Postby zedzedtop » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:44 am

Harry I've used the library heaps of times. Still continue to do so.....
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Re: Removed for "legal" reasons

Postby kiwi » Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:26 pm

If we're talking about the library anyway, can I make a request? would be awesome to have the Compleat Distiller in there. I send people to it frequently.
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Re: Removed for "legal" reasons

Postby Zymurgy Bob » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:25 am

Kiwi, that's something that Mike McCaw (The Amphora Society) is adamant about - no electronic copies of any of Amphora's books. Same goes for my book, it that matters to anyone.
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Re: Removed for "legal" reasons

Postby kiwi » Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:13 am

Oh ok, I didn't realise that authors permission was requested etc for the books posted there, I thought it was under 'fair use' or whatever. There are certainly electronic copies of TCD, though. Personally I bought it on paper (yours too) but... I'm sure lots don't.
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Re: Removed for "legal" reasons

Postby Harry » Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:20 am

Kiwi,

Mine are under "fair use". See the disclaimer link on the Library homepage. As for Amphora's books, Ian's and Dr Stone's, I don't show them, out of respect to the Mike's wishes. I have explained to MMc over the years that the free advertisibg would be a benefit rather than a problem. And the books are available all over the 'net in the wild anyway. However, that's how they want it so that's what I abide by. We're all actually good friends so why bugger that up. :)

Just to clarify what the Library does, I'll repeat a recent query and answer...

Question: When you do your library thing
with books, do you just show a selected few pages, or give
complete access, one page at a time?



Answer: Currently I show all, because I format the individual pages as flash graphics.

They are not text. They're not able to be messed with in any way, nor can they be saved from a machine's browser cache because each viewed page overwrites the former cache contents (the previous page/pages). This is normal for how any browsers work. My display cannot be downloaded as a single file, therefore cannot be captured as such.

The only way any would-be perp could pilfer them is by screen dump, 1-screen-at-a-time (true of any screen browser / viewer). But that's a very long & labour intensive exercise. One would need to automate the process with specialist capture software or routines, and if they did choose to do so, all they'd end up with is a massive collection of page-sized pictures, unable to be searched, or edited, or extracted in any way. Certainly not suitable for redistribution or compiling. Pretty useless wouldn't you say? Now compare those limitations to this...

An ebook...The original PDF file format of ebook files, a proper pdf file, fully usable (search, extract, annotate, copy & paste, and print) in any adobe or similar software or viewer. This is what I DON'T display.

Quite frankly, getting a PDF version of the literary work, is a far better option (probably the only option) for an honest researcher, Same too for a crook wanting to reproduce copies for sale & distribution.

In other words my displays are useless for anything other than reading on a screen. What they ARE very good for, is disseminating information, and arousing interest in a subject and giving author exposure to a wide specific-interest audience. And isn't that the purpose of any public Library? Isn't that also the desired goal of Authors? It's ADVERTISING for FREE on a worldwide scale. Doesn't that public exposure also translate to increased book sales and revenue? If not then the entire advertising industry has got it wrong.

Sometime in the future, I intend to offer subscribed Library members the option of downloading researcher issues. These will be over-stamped with the user's personal contact info (name, email etc) on every page. That makes them suitable only for private use / research. If any page or file is ever redisplayed elsewhere on another server or forum, then the user's indetity will also be displayed to the world. That's a very powerful deterrent to file sharing.

I hope that answers your question.
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Re: Removed for "legal" reasons

Postby Zymurgy Bob » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:39 am

Kiwi,

Even though Harry said it correctly, let me clarify. It is the publisher's call, not the author's, whether a book can be made available electronically. That was part of the agreement between Mike McCaw and me.
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Re: Removed for "legal" reasons

Postby Harry » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:30 pm

Zymurgy Bob wrote:It is the publisher's call, not the author's, whether a book can be made available electronically.



Bob,
That brings up a very interesting point. One would assume, it was the publishers who originally allowed the electronic versions onto the 'net. Or at least gave access to the files in some way (I mean the pdf versions, not screendump knock-offs).

Hense the reason they are now all over "in the wild". 'cause what goes on the 'net- stays on the 'net.

So, if the publishers let 'em loose in the first place, I don't really see where they have anything to complain about. jmho, ymmv.

I still think my "stamping" proposal is the best solution all round. Apparently so do others. Wiley, Amazon et al are now releasing pdf's with just that user contact over-stamping in place. Thoughts?
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Re: Removed for "legal" reasons

Postby kiwi » Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:49 pm

I know you're not asking me, but I doubt the stamping solution would be a significant impediment to piracy. And fair enough RE the TCD thing. Just a shame because I know if I tell someone "refer to the compleat distiller page x" they're just going to download the whole thing.
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Re: Removed for "legal" reasons

Postby Shine NOLA » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:02 am

Examples of fair use include commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship
SO, If your researching, teaching, or archiving......
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